Lived on-board Hadar

Saturday, January 13, 2007

Week Eleven.

Work recommenced on Hadar this week after the Christmas and New Year break.
We hope you had a wonderful time and enjoy reading Hadar's progress to completion during the beginning of 2007.

The installation of the automatic bilge pump under the forecabin floor.

Bilge Pump In Place

With many water appliances installed in a boat these days a bilge pump is a neccessity should any of them fail and discharge water into the bilges in the galley/shower/laundry area. Also the main water pump and the shower tray pumpout pump were installed along with all the associated pipework for supply of hot and cold water and disposal of waste water.

All the plumbing for the Galley and Bathroom

The stove for the saloon arrived and it is lovely.


Aarrow Acorn Multi Fuel Stove

The pipework was completed and the platform for the toilet to stand on was built. Roger then worked on the remaining wall and the door into the shower/toilet area.

Shower and Toilet Area

We have had a very good week, and things have moved on apace. Roger has been extremely busy on our boat this week. The shower/toilet cubicle is now completed, awaiting tiling and the sink to be fitted.
The washing machine and tumble drier have now been installed on the opposite side to the shower/toilet. The fridge-freezer was installed in its final position, next to the washing machine and drier. The cupboard above the drier is completed apart from the doors.
The Inverter/charger has arrived along with the generator. This now completes all of the large purchases apart from the stove for the boatmans cabin.


Utility Area

Tina Paramore the boat painter also began the paint work in the boatman cabin. Her first job was to paint knotting compound on all the knots, she then filled over where all the screw heads were showing. Her final job for this week was to sand it all down ready for priming. Having spoken to Tina I am amazed how much work and paint has to go on before we get to the Roses and Castles. You can follow the progress here in Hadar's Dairy.

Saturday, December 09, 2006

Week Ten

The upper walls of the saloon and the first part of the galley have now been fitted. It is taking shape rather nicely. Despite the sloping roof of the 8 ft saloon there is plenty of headroom. Well there is for Keith and I as we are both short!
The wood panels are ash, with cherry bordering. We have seen the effect on a previous boat Roger built whilst we were moored here, and we rather liked it. The ash will be painted with a thin layer of ivory coloured paint and the grain shows through which we liked.

With the wall lining being completed, work started on the shower/toilet cubicle, and the laundry area. The walls in the shower/toilet cubical are thicker (18mm ply) as these walls will be tiled and need a firm base to be attached to. All the various water pipes needed to be installed as things proceed. With the temporary installing of the major appliances (washing machine, tumble dryer and fridge-freezer) to calculate the bulkhead positions, Keith's calculations were spot on
everything fitted, he had been worried that they would be wrong but these fears were soon dismissed, Pheww!!
Mind you there isn't a lot of room to spare, they all just fit in with millimeters to spare. It is all going to be very snug. We are both so excited it is all our Christmases coming at once.

Over the next week things should really change. So please pop back in to have a look.

Monday, December 04, 2006

Week Nine

What a fantastic week we have just had with the fitout of Hadar. Having chatted to Roger and worked out where we wanted the wiring to go, he set about lining out the main cabin, where the bathroom, utility room, galley and saloon will be. All of it is being fitted into an 18 foot space, so it will be very cosy. Like the boatsmans cabin and engine room the ceiling is tongue and groove timber through out.
It was only whilst seeing the wiring being fitted that you can appreciate how much there is behind those walls! Things are really moving along at a pace. We have gone for down lighters throughout, with switches for pairs of lights, so we do not have to have all the lights on at once. in the galley and saloon, thus giving us the chance to have some mood lighting if we wish.

With all the wiring done. Flooring down and ceiling timber up Roger will be starting to fit the upper walls. By the time I post the next round of photographs you will really see a difference. Keith and I have already sat down and worked out what fixture and fittings we want for the bathroom, galley and saloon. We already have our washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, and cooker. We cannot wait to see them in place, it is very exciting.

Sunday, November 26, 2006

Weeks Seven and Eight of Hadar's Fit Out.

Hadars fit out is progressing at a great rate now and the boatsmans cabin is almost finished. Roger made the double doors into the engine room.


The four drawers which go underneath the bed cupboard and seating were made up ready for fitting.

Roger then went onto make the wooden hatch slide, which was then covered in aluminium, and an aluminium strip screwed around the edge.

The final thing to be done was the lining and detail to the back doors of the cabin. We are so pleased with all the work done on the boatsmans cabin, it is just the way we imagined it would be.


So with the boatsmans cabin fit out completed, it was time to start on the engine room. With the doors in place it was now time to line the engine room out.


Firstly the ceiling was lined out with tongue and groove timber, holes were cut for the pigeon box, lighting and exhaust.Then the walls were lined out with plywood and edging strips for that final detail. The whole thing looks fabulous.


With the engine room almost complete, we will be sitting down next week, to discuss the fitout of the front cabin. This will involve putting in the shower/toilet/laundry area, galley and saloon. We are keeping it all very simple and tasteful, so keep popping in to see the changes happen. And no the cover over the engine is not my new curtain material LOL.

Sunday, November 12, 2006

Weeks Five and Six

I must apologise to all who have been waiting for the latest pictures of Hadar's fit out. Life at the boatyard has been pretty hectic this past few weeks, with other work being done at the yard.
Hadar's fit out is coming along really well, and we are so pleased with the way her boatmans cabin is looking now.


There are doors with hinges on all the cupboards . I just love the tongue and groove panelling on the cupboards.


The table-cupboard door hinges down, and there is a handle on the crumb/cutlery drawer. The bed cupboard is now complete, and awaiting it's mattress. It is all very exciting. I know how daft we are, lol, getting excited about a bed cupboard, but it will be where we will sleep for the rest of our days, so bear with me if I get over excited at something so silly.



Roger has been working really hard on the cabin. As you can see there are now shelves on both sides of the rear door, and he has also put in the partition between the bed area and living area. With a fake beam across the ceiling.


We have a coal box, which sits under the top step and doubles up as a second step. We will be able to get loads of coal in that box.


Under the shelves is the radio box, where boat people used to store their radio. I dare say we will find a good use for it.
So as you can see it is all going incredibly well, the next stage is making and fitting the drawers under the bed.

Saturday, October 07, 2006

Weeks Three and Four of Hadar's Fit Out

Weeks Three and Four have been another exciting time in the fit out of Hadar. Her boatmans cabin is really coming together now as you will see from the photographs. It is so nice to see how the cabin goes together, it is just like putting a jigsaw together when you sit and watch Roger do the woodwork. It is a real work of art when done properly. Keith and I both find it fascinating to watch just how much work goes into fitting out a boat, and it is certainly something we would never have done ourselves.
The beginings of the ticket draw have begun with the frame work.
The platform for the stove is in place and so are the shelves beside the stove. We have yet to buy the stove but we know the one we want.
The cupboard carcass with shelving is now in place, ready for the draw and table top come door to be made and fitted.
Seating and draw space has gone in on the right, and the hide away bed is now going in. We have gone for a four foot wide bed, rather than the 3 foot bed which they had in the original boats, after all we do not want to be cramped.
Roger has begun the doors for the cupboard over the bed which has a shelf running through the middle. Below the bed there will be two draws, so plenty of room for clothing etc.
It is wonderful to have the opportunity to see how our fit out comes together, the benefit is that we will know where every wire, screw and piece of pipe is fitted.

Saturday, September 23, 2006

Week Two Of the Fit Out

I thought as a few things had been happening with Hadar's fit out this week I would give you another update. The boatmans cabin is coming along a treat.

Having done the floor and part way up the gunwales, Tongue and Groove was then fitted to the wall of the cabin, and a hole for the port hole was cut out.Then the lining out of the other wall began with hardboard, to this the bed and cupboard will be fitted, and there are of course wires dangling ready for connecting up when the time comes.It has actually got exciting seeing her boatmans cabin begin to come to life.The Hardwood Step went in and it really is a solid piece of wood. I have no idea what sort of hardwood it is, but it looks the part anyway and will definately see alot of footprints on it over the years to come.See what I mean, it is a substantial piece of wood.

The ceiling has been panelled out with tongue and grove timber. The bulls eye and mushroom vent holes have been cut out and holes for the lighting wires have also be cut out ready to take the lighting wen the time comes.The beginings of the boatmans cabin cupboard shell have gone in. So a very busy week with the fit out. Both Keith and I really enjoy taking in all that is going on, we will definately know where every wire and screw is by the end of this journey.

Sunday, September 17, 2006

First Week Of the fit out.

We have been told by others with boats that when having a boat built, the fit out always seems to be the slowest part of the whole build. Well we will let you know if we agree now that the fit out has begun LOL.
For us the process of the fit out began this week, after discussions with Roger our builder about where the electrics were going, he began with the electrical wiring in the boatmans cabin, the pipework went onto the cooling tanks, and the timber work began in the boatmans cabin with the flooring and walls.
It is important at this point in the fit out to make sure all the wiring is in the right place, because once the walls and bulkheads go up it is difficult to change the wiring without taking it all down again, so along with Roger we are making sure everything is right from the start. Thats where being near the boat yard is a real help because we are on hand if Roger needs to know anything.Whilst we were out on Friday the flooring went down in the galley, bathroom and utility area. It is really quite exciting seeing her come together already. I hope that you enjoy following the fit out with us and for those looking in who are thinking of having a boat built, it gives you an idea as to what goes on and what you can possibly expect.

Thursday, September 14, 2006

Hadar's Fit Out

Hiya welcome back, there have been a few weeks of nothing happening on Hadar. Keith and I took off to go cruising our way up onto the Leeds and Liverpool Canal, we then paid a visit to the Shackerstone Festival Weekend after a couple of days back in Stone. You can read about our exploits on Life Afloat. We are now back at our mooring in Stone and Hadar's fit out has begun, so remember to keep our blog diary on your desk top to keep up to date with a blow by blow account of things as they happen. Because fit outs can be slow I will do an update probably every couple of weeks depending on whats happening, so don't get disheartened if nothing appears, it just means nothings happening right now LOL.
At the moment Roger is working on the wiring and putting the floor in the boatmans cabin, we will take photos, so you can see her in her naked state so to speak.
Keep you posted, Happy Cruising.

Sunday, June 25, 2006

HADAR's Launch

The final Preparations to launch started early, some padding was attached to the arm of the dumper truck, and this was used to nudge the boat forward out of the shed until the start of the baseplate was over the fixed roller in the slipway. The winch cable was attached to the bottom of the rudder post, this would be used to stop her from rolling out on her own. The stern was then jacked up until the bow rested on the fixed roller. Unfortunately at this point it was discovered that the pivot point of the boat was too far back for the remaining rollers to support her clear of the concrete at the top of the slipway.The answer was to build 2 ramps up out of wood and steel plate to shift these rollers back behind the pivot point, this took quite a while as Roger wanted to be certain that she would roll down them without breaking the ramps, or falling off them! But once he was satified with the setup, the boats moored in the basin were all tied together and then drifted out of the basin across the canal out of harms way. A large piece of wood about the size of a railway sleeper was tied against the opposite bank where it was expected for her to strike the wall. Roger then gave me the go ahead to name her, which I did, " I name this boat HADARm godbless her and all who sail in her" accompanied by the mandatory bottle of champagne.

Ceremony over, the cable winch was detached, and the final holding chocks removed, and she started to roll forward. It could not have gone better as she slipped out of the shed and into the water. However as was expected due to her size and weight the far bank took quite a wallop as can be seen from the photos, the Wooden plank was snapped clean in half!!!

A moment never to be forgotten, a definite one-off experience. We then moored her up against the bank and returned all the boats to their moorings in the basin.We would like to thank those people who came along to watch HADAR's launch, we hope they enjoyed what was a special moment for us. A huge thank you must go to Roger and everyone at the boat yard who have built HADAR. She is everything we wanted and more. All photographs of the launch are in Hadar's Album in the diary menu. We now look forward to her fit out.

Because the fit out will take some months we are going to take a trip away on Misty Lady, so Hadar's diary will be quiet for a few weeks, but if you would like to catch up with our exploits on our trip you can follow us on www.ladyjogearman.blogspot.com

We just could not finish the day without a photograph of us with Roger Fuller and our new boat "HADAR".

Week Twenty Five

Monday 19th June 2006.
Steve 2 undercoated the engine room, with dark grey at the bottom and cream at the top.I climbed into my overalls (sexy huh) to finish painting the mast and the cratch with Mauritius Blue Gloss, I really love that colour. The Red Oxide Enamel and the Mauritius Blue will be the final colours, but they will be rubbed down and reapplied when "HADAR" has her final paint job, and that will be done by Tina Paramore after "HADAR's" fit out which comes next.Roger and Keith unpacked the sheeting and set about putting the side sheets up in the open hold, firstly they checked that they were the right length, they then laid a black mastic strip along the metal fixing strip the length of the open hold. They began to lay the side cover over the mastic strip and then battened them into place with oak battens, which were screwed to the metal work of the open hold. So we had a sandwich, metal fixing strip, mastic strip, side sheet and then oak batten all screwed together. Not the sort of sandwich you would want to eat though LOL.Having completed both starboard and port side sheets as far as they could go, they put the newly painted stand and planks into place.

Tuesday 20th June.
Roger and Keith finished fitting the side sheets over the saloon. They were a little more difficult to fit. After they were in place the painted Mast, cratch and remaining planks were put up. The side sheets were roped into place over the planking with blue nylon rope for now, it will be replaced before we take "HADAR" away. The top sheets were rolled out, and placed over the top planks along the open hold and over the saloon, checking all three sheets to make sure the eyelets matched up with the fixing loops on the gunwales. It all looked fantastic, and fitted perfectly. Keith sat down and made eye splices to tie the top sheets into place. Once they were tied into place we roped the top sheets down. Standing back and looking at her all done, already for launching, bought a lump to my throat, because this was the day we had been waiting for. She is all ready for launching.

Wednesday 21st June.
Roger and Joel (on work experience) started to move "HADAR" across to the centre of the shed ready for her launch on Thursday. All this was done with the use of rollers, a dumper truck and brute force. It took pretty much the whole day to get her in the right place.

Sunday, June 18, 2006

Weeks Twenty Three and Twenty Four

Monday 5th June 2206.
Nothing happened on “HADAR” to day.

Tuesday 6th June.
Roger began working on our cratch. We decided to have it made of tongue and groove timber, so we could have it painted.

Wednesday 7th June.
Roger finished our cratch.


Thursday 8th and Friday 9th June.
Nothing was done today.

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Monday 12th June 2006.
Nothing was done today.

Tuesday 13th June.
Work began again on “HADAR”. Steve 2 starting fixing in the flooring joists in the bathroom, galley and saloon.The final plank was made and put into place in the open hold.
Roger and Keith measured up for the side sheets and top sheets for the open hold.
Roger then placed the order.

Wednesday 14th June.
Steve 2 and Keith began fitting all the brass works on i.e.: Mushroom vents, and cabin steps.
Steve 2 used sealant to put the glass into all the portholes and the bull’s eye.
Steve 2 and Keith fitted the waste pipe fixings for the shower, basin, sink and washing machine.
Keith and I primed the mast, stand, planks and cratch. I then began under coating them in grey.

Thursday 15th June.
We moved all the planks into the open hold to paint them. I finished under coating the mast, stand and planks.Steve 2 and Keith fitted the portholes and bulls eye. They then set about fitting the gas pipe and electric trunking in the open hold from the gas locker.

Friday 16th June.
Keith and Steve 2 did the electrics for the head lamp and front navigation light.
Steve 2 fixed the TV Ariel box onto the cabin roof along with the CB and Marine Ariel’s fixings.
The cratch brackets were fitted onto the cratch, and Steve 2 made up the top and bottom bands for the mast.Keith painted the weed hatch with Red Oxide Enamel.
I spent the day painting the planks with Red Oxide Enamel, and the Mast, Stand and Cratch with Mauritius Blue Gloss.
Steve 2 then sealed the weed hatch with tape, packed the stern tube, and attached the stern tube greaser and greased the stern tube.
The side sheets and top sheets arrived, now that’s what I call go service Roger had only ordered them Tuesday. We had a very busy week, but both Keith and I really enjoyed helping out. It was lovely to have hands on and be able to put our mark on “HADAR”
Here’s to an exciting week coming up so watch this space, as we hope fingers crossed to be able to launch her, ready for her fit out. All photographs will be in added to the diary.

Sunday, June 04, 2006

Weeks Twenty One and Twenty Two

Monday 22nd May through to Friday 26th.

It has been a quiet week, there has been no work carried out on Hadar, we are waiting on timber and te sheeting for the open hold.

Monday 29th May through to Friday 2nd June.

Another quiet week on Hadar, however the timber has arrived for the flooring and the cratch.
I will update you further when we have something to report.

Have a great week in the sun, but remember to slap on the sun screen.

Monday, May 22, 2006

Week Twenty














Monday 15th May 2006.
Steve 1 had out the newspaper and masking tape and set about masking up the gunwales, and the open hold ready to spray paint them in what can only be described as chocolate brown mmmmmm and lovely it looked to. You can certainly understand why they wear masks whilst spray painting the smell of the fumes is enough to send anyone high. I have to say though it did nothing for me. But I do love the colour.

Tuesday 16th May.
No work done on Hadar today.

Wednesday 17th May.
Roger began work on the holds woodwork, the planks, mast and stand. His first job was the rear cross member, he then made the top plank block which sits on the cabin roof, he also started on the stand.

Thursday 18th May.
Roger spent the day making up the stand, he put them in place with the cross member. He also made up the mast box and then arranged the top planks and cross member.

Friday 19th May.
No work today done on Hadar, they are waiting for the tongue and groove wood to arrive for the cratch.













Over this past week Keith has enjoyed helping Roger with the woodwork, helping with measurements and the carrying of the timber, which is very substantial. The planks alone vary in length, but are 1 ½ thick by 11 inches wide. We are now getting very close to Hadar’s launch. Once the timber work for the hold is done, Roger can measure up for the sheeting. That can be got then fitted and yayyy we get to launch. We cannot launch until the sheeting is fitted. Because if it rains and the hold fills up she will sink Eckkk as there are no drain off holes in the hold. Anyway another week of activity and plenty more to come so please keep popping in for a read and a look at the photographs.

Monday, May 15, 2006

Weeks Eighteen and Nineteen














Monday 1st May 2006.
No work today as it was the May Day Bank Holiday.

Tuesday 2nd May.
Outlets were cut for the drain holes, for the basin, shower and galley sink under the port side window in the galley. The outlet for the washing machine was cut on the starboard side. The battening out continued ready for the foam insulating, which was booked for Wednesday. Once the battening was completed, all holes ie: port holes, chimneys, drain holes, etc were covered and sealed ready for the foaming. Holes were also cut through the bulkheads to take water pipes and electric cables, they were then covered and sealed. Also all the battening had to be covered with tape, so that once the foaming was done the tape could be taken off to reveal the wooden batten. The bulkheads in the engine room were covered with newspaper and taped up, they are not insulated as they only need insulation one one side only. Steve 2 had the messy job of rubbing down the cabin tops read oxide coat, ready to take a coat of gloss, so Hadars body work will be protected once outside. A top coat of gloss is added because the red oxide alone is porous. Once Hadar is ready for her final paint job, all this will be stripped off.

Wednesday 3rd May.
The guys from A & K Insulations Ltd (
www.insulationsprayfoam.co.uk) arrived around 8:15am and prepared their equipment for the task of insulating Hadar's cabin. James was doing the spraying whilst John his partner was in charge of looking after the pumping equipment. They had to make sure there was at least a 1" even coat of foam through out the boatmans cabin, bathroom, galley and saloon. They finished it around 11.45am and then set about packing everything away.

Thursday 4th May.
There was no work done on Hadar, as Steve 2 had injured his ankle, and was taking a few days off to recover.

Friday 5th May.
Steve 1 started to clean the battens after completion of the foam insulating, where the spray foam had come into contact with them.
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Monday 8th May 2006.
Steve 1 continued the job of stripping back the foam insulation off the wooden battens. He also had the job of cutting back and sawing off the excess foam, where it was protruding over the wooden battens. I found that the sawing of the foam put my teeth on edge ewwwwww.


Tuesday 9th May
Steve 2 is still off work, with torn ligaments in both sides of his ankle, we wish him a speedy recovery. Steve 1 was again cleaning the battens this time in the boatmans cabin. Once that was all done he then painted the floor in the boatmans cabin.


Wednesday 10th May
Steve 1 finished rubbing down the cabin top that Steve 1 had started before his ankle injury.


Thursday 11th May.
No Steve 1 today he hurt his back on Wednesday. The mast and stand timber arrived. We sat down and worked out where we want all the electric sockets and lighting fitted.


Friday 12th May.
Steve 1 was back, all be it a little stiff, he finished rubbing down the cabin top. He then altered the sheeting fixing rail. Finally for this week he spray painted a coat of ice blue gloss paint over the red oxide. The gloss coat is there to protect the metal work, once outside until the final painting.

Tuesday, May 02, 2006

Weeks Fifteen, Sixteen and Seventeen

Monday 10th April 2006.
Hadar was lowered back to the shed floor, back on safe ground. Steve 2 was back on rivet duty, and it was the turn of the roof edge, doors and bulkhead. These rivets were much smaller than the hull rivets, so much more fiddly to put on and weld, in fact I think Steve had the patience of a saint. All in all on the Starboard side he welded on 221, see what I mean the patience of a saint.
Tuesday 11th April.
Steve 2 was again on rivets, this time on the port side, and in all he welded on 231 on the cabin tops doors and bulkhead. Believe it or not I actually counted all the rivets after he welded the remaining bow rivets on and amazingly there are approximately 1315. I say approximately because after counting them all twice I was ginging up the will to live. So if we meet up on the cut and you want to challenge my total feel free to count them up Ha ha ha. Believe me it is not easy, I was seeing double by the end, so goodness knows what it like to have to weld them all on. I will apologise to Steve 2 right now for putting him through that torture LOL... Oh heck I was forgetting he got paid to do it LOL. Steve 2 also fitted 4 fold up brass foot steps which are on each corner of the cabin top. So when we are both to old to climb onto the cabin top we can use the steps. Don't laugh we have to think of these thing's now after all I am coming up for 44 LOL. We maybe spring chickens now but as Hadar is going to be our only boat built from new, we are having everything fitted now for our more advanced year's. Forward thinking pay's, so if your thinking of having a boat built, think about what will happen when you are getting older and what you would like fitted now.Back to the boat, I was getting side tracked. Roger begain working on the swan neck, he had the steel on the lathe. Now that was an interesting thing to watch, look at the photo's and the one with the hole in the wall where the steel pole comes out. A great bit of design work LOL.


Wednesday 12th April.
The letter box vents for the boatmans cabin were screwed into place on both sides of the cabin top. When the boat's were first built with them in the 30's, the vents were open and used, but on our boat they will just be for affect. It all just adds to the over all affect. Steve 2 also welded into the open hold the mast base box, which will take the main wooden mast.


Thursday 13th April.
Steve 2 added more framing out steel in the cabin around the port holes. Both Steve 1 and Steve 2 then stated the bending of the swan neck, using a blow torn and brute force.
Friday 14th April. Good friday so nothing happened today it was a well earned day off for everyone.


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As it was the Easter Weekend no body worked Easter Monday 17th April.

Tuesday 18th April 2006.
Back to work and the swan neck was made, fitted and painted with red oxide. The screw holes for the navigation lights were drilled in to the saloon bulkhead. The head lamp post was welded into place above the gas locker at the bow.


Wednesday 19th April.
Steve 2 was busy with grinding back of the hull. Ariel fixing points were drilled out on the roof. Roger sorted out the gearbox, which had been in one of his previous boats, it had had very little use. The Top Hat was made and fitted on to the rudder post, above the rudder tube.


Thursday 20th April.
Steve 2 started spraying our cabin top and roof with red oxide paint. The fumes alone were enough to make anyone high LOL.Roger cut out the battens, for the framing out of cabin. Steve 1 cut out and welded the plate to the gearbox, that will hold it all in place.


Friday 21st April.
Steve 2 all masked up finished spraying the boat, doing the open hold and the bow, then both he and Roger began blacking the bottom with 2 pack. Hadar will have 2 1/2 coats of the 2 pack.

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Monday 24th April to Friday 28th April we were away. You can read about the fun few day's we had at http://www.ladyjogearman.blogspot.com/ Work was still taking place on Hadar over the week and it was as follows.

The port holes for the cabin top and pigeon box arrived along with their glass. The bulls eye also arrived along with the mushroom vents. All the holes were drilled into the cabin top to take the afore mentioned. The battening timber was screwed into place through out the boatmans cabin, engine room, bathroom, galley and saloon. The sheeting eyes were welded into place along the gunwales of the open hold. They will hold the ropes in place over the sheeting. 2 vents for the diesel were put into place in the walls of the engine room. The day tank was also fitted into the engine room. We discussed the outlets for the shower, basin, galley sink and washing machine with Roger. The yellow Pine for the open hold top planks arrived they are each 11" x 2". So it was a very busy week whilst we were away.